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Mr. Ron Wolfe, USDA - Forest Products Labs, called the meeting to order at 1:00 p.m. He reported that Chairman Russell Moody will not be able to attend this meeting due to illness and had asked him to chair this meeting. Mr. Wolfe asked those in attendance to introduce themselves (see Attachment I) and to sign in on the membership roster and confirm their contact information. Mr. Wolfe reported that a subcommittee was to be established by Chairman Moody to prevent any future concerns with the classification of new members. Mr. Wolfe sought guidance from the committee as to the need for this subcommittee. There was consensus that this subcommittee was not needed at this time. Mr. Wolfe asked if any comments were received by the O5 Secretariat, and there were none. Mr. Wolfe noted that Attachment VIII was not the correct attachment. He asked that these minutes clarify why the metrification of ANSI O5.1 was rejected. He asked Mr. John Kressbach to chair the Classification subcommittee for this meeting and to clarify why the metrification of ANSI O5.1 was rejected. This explanation will be contained in these minutes. - Item 13.3, correct the spelling from "Rinus" to "Pinus" There was a motion to approve the minutes, which was seconded.
The minutes were approved as modified. Mr. Wolfe asked if there were any proposed modifications to the agenda. The following were proposed: - Add Item 6.4, Revised ANSI Procedures There was a motion to approve the agenda, which was seconded.
The agenda was approved as modified. Mr. Alvin Lai, O5 Secretary - ATIS, reported on the status of funding ASC O5. He reported that only $4,000 of proposed $6,000 was raised for 1997 and stated that approximately $11,000 needs to be raised for calendar year 1998. Mr. Lai advised that Mr. Jim Comerford had contacted him on the matter of funding. Mr. Comerford volunteered to be acting chairman of a proposed ad hoc group on funding. Mr. Comerford reported the monies received from member organizations to date: NRECA - $1,000, SPTA - $2,000, RUS - $1,000, and SPIB ($500 forthcoming). He reported that Western Red Cedar Association, Western Wood Preservers Institute, and Southern Pressure Treaters Association (SPTA) will contribute the remaining amount - $2,125, $2,125, and $2,250, respectively. (Secretary's Note: American Wood Preservers Institute (AWPI) agreed to pay $2,125, leaving SPTA with a balance of only $125). Mr. Comerford discussed the future funding of ASC O5 and noted
that there could be an annual individual membership fee. He stated
that in addition to a proposed annual membership fee, those who
benefit the most from the development of the standards would continue
to make contributions towards supporting Committee O5 under ATIS
sponsorship. He asked the participants how many could pay $100,
$50, and $25 (as an annual fee) and approximately half of those
in attendance noted the ability to pay $100, with a few additional
members willing to pay $50 and $25. Mr. Wolfe would like the members
to think about the funding of ASC O5 and make a decision on Thursday,
March 26, 1998. 6.1 Result of O5 Letter Ballots Mr. Lai reported that Mr. Les Lonning will hold a resolution meeting for O5/LB97-01 (to be held in conjunction with the Foreign Species Task Force meeting). 6.2 O5 Chairman 6.3 Information Items 6.4 Revised ANSI Procedures 6.5 Electronic Distribution of Information Mr. Lai stated that the Secretariat has recommended Mr. Ron Wolfe to succeed Mr. Russell Moody as Chairman of ASC O5. There was a motion to approve the Secretariat's recommendation, which was seconded, with unanimous approval. Mr. Lai welcomed Mr. Ron Wolfe of USDA-FPL as the new ASC O5 Chairman. A question was raised about a vice chairman and it was noted that there is currently no vice chairman for ASC O5, but that a vice chairman may be recommended by the Secretariat upon the recommendation of the ASC O5 members. The Committee thanked Mr. Lai for his service over the years
and gave him a round of applause. Mr. Bob Peters reported that he spoke with Ms. Sue Vogel of IEEE. He advised that the IEEE was not receptive to sponsoring Committee O5 in the same manner as it sponsors ASC C2, and she was to contact the O5 Secretary on this. He reported that ASC O5 could be placed under the Timber Pole Committee (TPC) or Transmission and Distribution (T&D) subcommittee of IEEE. He stated that Mr. Lai will contact Ms. Vogel. Mr. Lai stated that he will provide the O5 members with a report within the next 30-45 days (see Attachment V). Mr. Gjovik noted the possibility of ASTM sponsoring ASC O5, and Mr. Wolfe volunteered to look into this. Chairman Wolfe reported that the meeting should end by 5:00 p.m. on March 26, 1998. There was a motion to adjourn to the subcommittee meetings, which was seconded. The meeting adjourned at 2:15 p.m. The meeting was reconvened at 3:00 p.m. on the following day, March 26, 1998. 10.1 Crossarms Subcommittee Mr. Steve Smith reported on the Crossarms subcommittee meeting. He stated that the Soft Pine Treaters Association will be testing soft pine crossarms to collect data for use in the revision of the O5.3 crossarms standard. He also reported on the Glulam subcommittee meeting. He stated that Mr. Russ Moody had noted concern about sizes of lumber with regard to how to establish fiber stress in accordance with AITC 117. It was determined that no action was needed because there is wording in that document which states "or". He noted that there was also a request to consider the stress on the hardwood glulam in O5.2 per AITC 119. He advised that there was not enough interest to make this change at this time. 10.2 Material Requirements Subcommittee Mr. McCown reported on the Incipient Decay Task Force, which developed two proposals. They proposed removing the last sentence in Section 3.9 of ANSI O5.1 which reads "It is usually accompanied by a slight discoloration or bleaching of the wood." and replacing it with "Although the wood is invaded and some of its properties may have deteriorated, no visible change has occurred, with perhaps the exception of minor discoloration." There was a motion to approve this proposal, which was seconded, and unanimously approved. He reported on the second proposal to add a new section 5.2.1.6 on Sterilization to read "When specified, suppliers of Southern pine, Douglas-fir, Lodgepole pine, Red pine, Western larch, and Jack pine poles shall provide the purchaser with certification that sterilization has occurred during the conditioning or treating process. To assure sterilization, heating times and temperatures shall be sufficient to obtain a temperature of at least 150 degrees Fahrenheit at the center of the entire pole for at least one hour." There was a motion to approve this proposal, which was seconded. There was discussion on the type of species which were listed in this proposed new section. The members questioned why all species were not included and why this section was limited to certain species. There was a motion to amend the motion to remove the references to only certain species, which was seconded. It was noted that this is an AWPA issue and it was also noted that certain species do not need to be sterilized. The amendment to the motion passed with 15 in favor, 9 opposed, and 8 abstentions. The amended motion to add section 5.2.1.6 passed with 11 in favor, 10 opposed, and 6 abstentions. Mr. McCown thanked and disbanded the Task Force. Mr. McCown reported on the Shake Task Force (under Material Requirements) and stated that a clearer definition of the criteria for shake is needed, and the task force will continue its work. He also reported that a task force on "Shelling" was formed. Mr. McCown reported on proposed changes to Section 6.2.1 of O5.1 on circumference (shrinkage). It was recommended to modify this section by removing the words "at 6 feet from the butt" from the last sentence. There was a motion to approve this proposal, which was seconded. There was a motion to amend the motion to add the word "circumference" in place of the words "at 6 feet from the butt", which was seconded. The amendment to the motion passed unanimously. The amended motion passed unanimously. Mr. McCown reported on the formation of a new task force on "Shape" to discuss concerns with Section 5.4.9 in O5.1. Mr. McCown reported that the Structural Composite Lumber subcommittee will remain dormant and will be revisited next year. 10.3 Foreign Species Task Force 10.4 Classification Subcommittee 10.5 Deep Incising Task Force 10.6 Fiber Stress Subcommittee Mr. Kluge motioned to form an ad hoc group to review all of the ANSI O5 standards and prepare design strength values, which was seconded and unanimously approved. Mr. Wolfe stated that this would be an ad hoc group under Committee O5 and will be chaired by Mr. Bob Peters. Mr. Kluge agreed to provide a current list of those who would like to participate in the ad hoc group to Mr. Peters, and it was noted that any other interested parties should contact Mr. Peters. Mr. Kluge stated that he would like the number of classes to be put on the agenda as an action item for Fiber Stress subcommittee for next years ASC O5 meeting. It was noted that there is an ASC C2 subcommittee 5 meeting on
strength and loading in San Diego on July 10-11, 1998. Mr. Wolfe reviewed the publication of the photo manual being developed by Mr. McCown, and the proposed work on incising by Mr. Stoddard. He suggested that these documents could be valuable publications and noted the possibility of holding a seminar on the inspection of poles. He also noted that these documents could be published through ANSI. It was noted that Mr. Nelson Bingel is working in IEEE on a guide for the maintenance of wood structures and that this work could possibly be incorporated into a proposed O5 manual for inspection of wood poles. Mr. Wolfe stated that Dr. Jeff Morell volunteered to help with this manual, assuming a need and use for this manual is determined. It was noted that the legal implication of this document was a concern [Secretary's Note: At a minimum, as per ATIS policy, this document would need a copyright]. Mr. Wolfe noted that this would only be an information document, not a standard. It was noted that the Committee is not in the business to sell documents. Mr. Wolfe stated that a number of issues will need to be addressed. Mr. Wolfe reviewed the discussion of a membership fee. He advised that a member would either come in under an organizational contribution or a individual member fee, but would not have to pay both. It was noted that this fee structure may be difficult for the Secretariat to manage. It was also noted that if all participants decided to pay a $50 individual fee, as opposed to a larger umbrella fee (i.e., $1000) then the budgeted amount would not be raised. Mr. Wolfe volunteered to send a letter to each of the member organizations to survey how much they would be willing and able to pay to fund Committee O5 under ATIS. Mr. Lai noted that he will discuss this with Mr. Wolfe, Mr. Comerford, and Mr. Barclay. Dr. Bodig noted that a more accurate agenda needs to be established with respect to the length of the subcommittee and O5 meetings. It was noted that a one and a half day meeting should be sufficient. After short discussion, it was noted that the 1999 Committee O5 meeting will be scheduled for one full day and one half day. Mr. Lai advised that Committee O5 typically adopts the ANSI procedures,
and there were no objections from the O5 members to accepting
the newly revised ANSI procedures for ASCs. None. The 1999 O5 annual meeting will be scheduled for the April 1999 time frame, in Madison, Wisconsin, beginning Thursday morning and ending Friday at noon. There was a motion to adjourn, which was seconded, and the meeting was adjourned at 11:35 a.m. Respectfully submitted, Alvin Lai and Steve Barclay Attachments: ATTACHMENT I MARCH 25-26, 1998 COMMITTEE O5 MEETING ATTENDANCE LIST |
