ANSI ACCREDITED STANDARDS COMMITTEE O5
ANNUAL MEETING MINUTES
APRIL 23-24, 1997
USDA FOREST PRODUCTS LABORATORY
Madison, Wisconsin

• Call to Order
  Chairman Moody called the meeting to order at 1:00 p.m.

• Chairman's Welcome and Remarks
  Chairman Moody welcomed the O5 members to Madison for the 1997 O5 Annual Meeting.

  The Chairman asked the attendees to introduce themselves and to sign in on the O5 membership roster that was being circulated. The attendance is attached (Attachment I).

  He advised the members that there are several issues that will need resolution such as the two (2) letter ballots on new membership requests and funding the ASC O5.

• Approval of Minutes of the 1996 ASC O5 Annual Meeting, March 28-29, 1996
  Mr. Kressbach requested that the Kressbach, Gjovik, Wolfe Report on Metrication of Pole Standard be appended to these minutes. It had not been included in the 1996 Annual Meeting minutes package.

  The minutes were approved as distributed.

• Approval of Agenda
  Additions to the Agenda:

  12.1 Resolution of the funding issue
  12.2 USTA DISPATCH-Telephone Industry Discussion Points for Treated Wood Utility Poles.
  12.3 Presentation on Foreign Species-Les Lonning
  12.4 International Pole Conference, March 23-25, 1998
  

  The Agenda for this meeting was approved as modified.

• Chairman's Report on Status of Funding the Sponsorship of ASC O5
  Chairman Moody reported on the funding issue presently facing ASC O5. We will need to raise approximately $11,000 to cover 1998. The options available to ASC O5 is to seek a new Secretariat, possibly IEEE or ASTM, or continue to fund ATIS sponsorship of ASC O5.

  The Secretary reported that $4,000 has been received by ATIS for the 1997 sponsorship of ASC O5. He reviewed the projected cost for 1998 that will need to be raised by ASC O5, see Attachment II.

• Secretary's Report
  
  6.1   Results of O5 Letter Ballots
  A status report was sent to the members on March 5, 1997.

  O5 Letter Ballot LB96-01 on NRECA's request for O5 Voting membership remains to be discussed at a task group meeting that will be called by the Chair to address the one negative vote.

  O5 letter ballot LB96-02 on SPIB's request for O5 Voting membership remains to be discussed at a task group meeting that will be called by the Chair to address the four negative votes.

  Chairman Moody advised that he has organized a task group to address the comments received in the O5 LB96-01 and -02 letter ballots. The Task Group was scheduled to meet at 4:00 p.m.

  6.2   ANSI O5.2-1996
  This standard on Structural Glued Laminated Timber for Utility Structures has been published and complimentary copies will be distributed to the O5 members.

  6.3   Information Items
  The Secretary advised the O5 members that they can correspond via e-mail if they so choose. The Secretariat must have every members' e-mail if the decision is to "go electronic" for ASC O5.

• ASC C2 NESC-Status Report of ASC O5's Request for Membership
  Chairman Moody reported that the Secretary of the C2 Committee at IEEE suggested that ASC O5 participate on ASC C2 via ATIS Voting membership, rather than as an ASC O5 Voting member. The Chairman advised that we can liaison committee to committee but that it was not acceptable to ASC C2 that ASC O5 have a Voting membership. Discussion ensued, and there was the wish to have a Voting membership on ASC C2. There was correspondence on this matter several years ago, and Mr. Kluge advised that he may have the correspondence. Mr. Kluge was asked to provide this correspondence to the Chairman. The Chairman was asked to respond officially to IEEE on this matter. One question that needs a response is "will ATIS sponsor the O5 Committee members to represent ASC O5 on ASC C2". The Chairman and Secretary should have this matter in process by July 1997.

• Position of IEEE on ANSI O5.1
  Mr. Peter, IEEE Representative, presented the IEEE's position on the reaffirmation of ANSI O5.1-1992, which is to vote against the reaffirmation, if proposed by ASC O5. The details of Mr. Peter's presentation is contained in his letter dated February 13, 1997 to Mr. R. Moody, ASC O5 Chair, copy of letter attached, Attachment III. Mr. Kluge reported that he had discussed this subject at the 1992 ASC O5 Annual Meeting per his letter dated December 4, 1991 to the O5 Secretary Peter Pallesen, copy attached under Attachment III. He will again review the material that was presented in his letter.

• Agenda Items for Subcommittee Meetings
  
  9.1   Classification
  Chaired by Mr. Leinfelder. No meeting scheduled since ASC O5 had made the decision in 1996 not to proceed with a hard conversion (to metrics) of ANSI O5.1-1992. It was suggested that the information that formed the basis for the discussion at the 1996 meeting be distributed to the members and this is included as Item VIII.

  9.2   Fiber Stress
  Chaired by Mr. Kluge. Will be meeting to discuss a number of items, including Table 1.

  9.3   Crossarms
  Chaired by Mr. Lash. No meeting scheduled since no Southern Pine data is available to the subcommittee to review.

  9.4   Glulam
  Chaired by Mr. Smith. No meeting scheduled since ANSI O5.2 has been revised and has been approved by ANSI. ANSI O5.2-1996 is in publication at ANSI.

  9.5   Material Requirements
  Chaired by Mr. McCown. Will be meeting to discuss a number of items.

  9.6   Structural Composite Lumber
  Chaired by Mr. Craig. No meeting scheduled since the draft standard is in progress.

  9.7   Foreign Species Task Group
  Chaired by Mr. Lonning. Will be meeting to discuss the draft of a set of procedures on the consideration of foreign species.

  9.8   Deep Incising Task Group
  Mr. Newbill, the Chairman, was not able to attend this Annual Meeting. Mr. Lonning advised that there was activity. Chairman Moody will review the activity of this Task Group.

  Dr. Gouri Bhayan addressed the issue of harmonization of the Canadian standard with ANSI O5.1 specifically on fiber stress. The differences between the two standards were discussed. The Canadian standard does not use a correction factor for moisture, and there are other minor differences that can be resolved.

  Subcommittee meeting room assignments and time allocations were made by Chairman Moody in agreement with the Chairs for their respective subcommittee meetings.

  This portion of the O5 Committee Meeting was adjourned at 2:30 p.m. for the subcommittee meetings, to be reconvened upon completion of the subcommittee meetings. The O5 Committee meeting was reconvened at 8:00 a.m. for the subcommittee reports.

• Subcommittee Reports
  
  10.1   Fiber Stress Subcommittee
  Mr. Kluge reported.

  The report of this meeting is attached as Attachment IV.

  Mr. Kluge reported that Dr. Bhuyan sought a joint effort for a U.S. and Canadian standard. He reported that Mr. Peters presented the IEEE position on ANSI O5.1-1992 with regard to consideration of new test data for Table 1. He stated that they reviewed the subject of his letter of December 4, 1991 regarding the test data.

  The subcommittee members discussed the extension of the life of ANSI O5.1-1992 versus a revision at this time.

  With regard to the new data, the motion was made by Mr. Kluge on behalf of the Fiber Stress Subcommittee.

  The new data which are from poles equal to and greater than 50 feet long shall be considered separately from the old data which are from poles less than 50 feet long, and a comparison shall be made between the AMORGL for the two data sets (old data prior to 1960's and new data post 1960's).

  The motion was approved unanimously.

  Members of the task group to review the data will be Messrs. R. Peters, N. Bingle, L. Lonning, K. Boatwright, R. Reisdorff, J. Bodig, S. Kirk, and J. Wheat. Mr. Peters will Chair the task force.

  A motion was made by Mr. Kluge on behalf of the Fiber Stress Subcommittee:

  to request a two year extension for ANSI O5.1-1992 from ANSI.

  The motion was unanimously approved.

  10.2   Material Requirements Subcommittee
  Mr. McCown reported.

  The report of this meeting is attached as Attachment V.

  Mr. McCown reported that they reviewed old business and one task was to create a photographic manual of characteristics of wood poles. The subcommittee agreed to proceed with the development of such a manual in color. A task force was formed to develop the Manual which will be a supplement to ANSI O5.1. Mr. McCown will chair the task force. Messrs. Leinfelder, Patterson, McGougin, Sullivan and E. Williams, Jr. are members. An example of the supplement is attached as Attachment VI.

  The subcommittee had new business presented by Mr. Lash, who stated three concerns regarding ANSI O5.1-1992, including defining incipient decay, qualifying the term "smoothly" in Section 7.4, and a question on Section 5.4.8 on Shake.

  A task force was formed to investigate and address "incipient decay". Mr. Lash will chair the task force. Messrs. Kressbach, Gjovik and E. Williams, Jr. are the members. The Subcommittee decided to take no action on the term "smoothly". A task force was formed to address "shake". Mr. Bingle will chair the task force. Messrs. Gjovik and E. Williams, Jr. are the members.

  The motion was made by Mr. Lash and seconded by Mr. Bingle:

  that ASC O5 approved the formation of the two task groups and their related work items.

  The motion was approved.

  The time estimated for this work is two years.

  Secretary Note: Mr. McCown advised that the Photographic Manual of Wood Pole Characteristics is posted on his web page, Netscape Navigator and MS Internet Explorer compatible.

  10.3   Task Group on Foreign Species
  Mr. Lonning reported.

  The report of this meeting is attached as Attachment VII.

  Mr. Lonning reported on the discussion and action taken on the draft "Requirements for Consideration of Foreign Species into ANSI O5.1" that he had developed and which the Secretariat distributed to the O5 members.

  He reported that comments from Mr. Comerford were considered, and that several suggestions will be added to the revised draft of the "Requirements" document. A revised document will be attached to the report. The Subcommittee made the decision to recommend to the O5 members that the "Requirements" document be issued as a normative appendix to ANSI O5.1.

  The motion was made by Mr. Lonning and seconded by Mr. Peters:

  to add the "Requirements" to the revision of ANSI O5.1-1992 as a Normative Appendix, and to go to O5 letter ballot for approval.

  The motion was unanimously approved.

  There was discussion concerning what would be considered a foreign specie under these "Requirements", i.e. would a U.S. Pine grown in South America be considered a foreign specie?

  It was suggested that a definition of a foreign specie be, "Foreign Species are those species not in ANSI O5.1". No action was taken at this time.

• Subcommittee Reports and Recommendations
  Chairman Moody reported on the resolution effort to resolve the negative votes on O5/LB96-01 and O5/LB96-02. He reported that, after clarification, the one negative vote had been withdrawn for O5/LB96-01. For O5/LB96-02, he reported that the task group recommended that SPIB be classified as a Rules-Writing Agency, which will be the same classification for WCLIB, and conditionally approved for O5 membership. The Chairman will contact Messrs. Kressbach and Gjovik to confirm their approval of this reclassification.

  Mr. Moody advised that he will be organizing a Membership-Classification Review Subcommittee with a proposed scope, to prevent any future concerns with the classification of new members.

• Timetable for Reaffirmation or Revision of ANSI O5.1-1992
  See 10.1 for the Fiber Stress Subcommittee Report that included this subject.

• New Business
  
  13.1   Funding
  Chairman Moody reviewed the funding issue.

  A motion was made by Mr. Peters and seconded by Mr. Kluge:

  to explore sponsorship of ASC O5 by the IEEE.

  Discussion ensued. The question arose as to what was required of a sponsor. The O5 Secretary and Secretariat staff person explained that the sponsor/Secretariat was approved by ANSI and charged with the responsibility to assure that the Accredited Standards Committee (ASC) followed the ANSI approved operations- procedures. The Secretariat specifically overseas the operation of the ASC and provides the administrative services. It also provides any legal service required by the ASC, such as the signing of a contract for testing services as required by some ASCs.

  The ASTM was mentioned as a possible sponsor but no one expressed any wish to explore ASTM.

  Mr. Peters proposed an Amendment to the motion:

  To contact IEEE to obtain sponsorship information, get the information to the O5 membership and proceed to O5 letter ballot if appropriate.

  The O5 members voted their approval to proceed with the action per the amended motion.

  13.2   USTA DISPATCH
  The article in the USTA DISPATCH on the Telephone Industry Discussion Points for Treated Wood Utility Poles was reviewed. It was noted that there have been discussions going on in this subject area and that AWPI had written a paper on this subject. No action was proposed for the O5 Committee.

  13.3   Presentation on Foreign Species by Mr. Les Lonning
  Mr. Lonning submitted a report on evaluation of Rinus Sylvestris (Scott Pine) from Sweden. He reported that testing has been completed and in-service trial-use were in progress on this specie.

  A motion was made by Mr. Lonning and seconded by Mr. Lash that:

  Chairman Moody appoint a 3-man Committee to study the report and provide a summary review of the data to the O5 members, with the intention of an O5 letter ballot, after the O5 letter ballot approval of the "Requirements"

  Discussion ensued on the motion, as to how the foreign species will be included in ANSI O5.1. Can it be an addition to Table 1? No decision was made at this time.

  The motion was unanimously approved.

  13.4   International Pole Conference
  Dr. Bodig presented the information on the 1998 international pole conference, now called the International Conference on Utility Line Structures. This conference will be held at the University Park Holiday Inn in Fort Collins, Colorado on March 23-25, 1998. Attachment VIII.

• 1998 O5 Annual Meeting Date and Location
  Thoughts were expressed as to whether we should hold the 1998 ASC O5 Annual Meeting in conjunction with the ASTM meeting again or with the international pole conference in March 1998. The dates would be March 25-27, 1998 in Fort Collins.

  The motion was made by Dr. Bodig and seconded by Mr. Bingle:

  to hold the 1998 ASC O5 Annual Meeting in conjunction with the international pole conference in Fort Collins, Colorado.

  Discussion ensued. The motion was approved.

• Adjournment
  The meeting was adjourned at 11:30 a.m.

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